REITs and MLPs are financial instruments found mainly in the United States, with particularly generous payouts. You could say that they are cousins, both similar in their operating mechanism and different in their structure. The stability of their business model, their relative independence from the equity market, and of course the attractive income they generate, may represent an interesting opportunity for (future) annuitants. What's more, these instruments have a special feature that is rarely mentioned: the protection they offer against currency risk, particularly that of their reference currency, the dollar.
First, let's take a look at what's behind these two unflattering terms.
REITs
A "REIT" is a company that derives most of its assets and income from real estate. Each year, it must distribute at least 90% of its net income in the form of dividends. The interesting thing about this is that dividends paid out can be deducted from income before tax. This obviously encourages the company to pay out its entire net income...
Real estate activities do not generate as high a return as those of listed companies. The State therefore favors them by avoiding double taxation: on the company's profits and on the dividends received by shareholders. Nevertheless, while returns are lower than in other sectors, they are also more stable and, above all, more sustainable. The return on Equity REITs (real estate leasing) reaches 12% per year (in total return) when the investment horizon exceeds the length of a real estate cycle (around ten years).
THE Mortgage REITs (mortgage investments) can pay out particularly generous dividends. They also sometimes deliver extreme returns, as in 2001, with 77%. But this comes at the price of dissuasive volatility, with very sharp falls (-42% in 2007). Mortgage REITs are purely debt-based, with a backdrop of assets that can melt away like snow in the sun. Unlike Equity REITs, they do not benefit from property appreciation. Their annual return is a modest 4% over a 10-year investment horizon (total return).
REITs have the advantage of offering a wide range of real estate choices, with specializations by sector and/or region. In general, the more concentrated they are in a particular market, the better, as they can benefit from a competitive advantage and/or niche market. Each sector has its own characteristics. Hotels, for example, are highly sensitive to economic conditions. Offices, on the other hand, are slightly less dependent on growth, while posting occupancy rates generally between 90 and 95%. Residential property is even less sensitive to economic ups and downs. Commercial real estate is certainly the least profitable sector, but it's also the most stable, thanks to very strict standards governing the duration and revaluation of rents. Finally, medical centers are also largely unaffected by the economic climate, and even have the luxury of an occupancy rate generally between 95 and 100%.
In short, if you want to invest in REITs for the long term, to generate solid income, it's better to focus on Equity REITs, which derive their income from the rental of real estate assets, rather than Mortgage REITs, which derive their income from mortgage debt. In addition, it's better to focus on the retail, healthcare and residential sectors, which are less subject to the vagaries of the economy.
Despite these precautions, any investment involves risks. Of course, the one that threatens the real estate sector the most is the rise in interest rate. A sudden, sharp rise in inflation could, for example, cause the Fed to reconsider its particularly accommodating monetary policy, thereby endangering REITs. On the other hand, this interest-rate sensitivity is paradoxically useful for hedging against currency risk. A tightening of the Fed's monetary policy is bad for a REIT's share price, but it also strengthens its reference currency, the dollar. And vice versa.
Another risk of a REIT is that the money simply doesn't flow into the company's coffers. This can happen if the properties to be rented don't find takers, or if a tenant can no longer pay the rent. To mitigate these risks, it is in the company's interest to strongly diversify both its tenants and its properties. The greater the number and diversity of properties and tenants, the lower the risk. In the commercial sector, for example, a spread over several different areas of activity will prevent a large number of tenants from simultaneously defaulting on their payments due to a structural or cyclical crisis affecting a particular sector.
Finally, it should also be noted that REITs are generally highly volatileThe relative standard deviation can easily be double that of a listed stock. The relative standard deviation can very easily be double that of a listed stock. This is something you need to be aware of before investing in this type of asset. On the other hand, this volatility has historically not been too closely linked to that of equities, which means that market risk is not a major concern. But since the subprime crisis, this advantage has faded.
MLPs
With interest rates on traditional fixed-income investments falling sharply in recent years, investors have increasingly turned to specialized investment vehicles to provide the income they need. MLPs have gained considerable popularity precisely because they can offer very high returns, thanks to the tax advantages they enjoy, much like their cousins the REITs. MLPs pay no tax before distributing their profits, allowing them to be more generous with their shareholders. To benefit from this tax advantage, 90% of an MLP's income must come from activities in real estate, raw materials or natural resources (mining, timber or energy).
MLPs are controlled by a general partner, who usually holds a 2% stake. These are mostly privately-owned companies, but some are also listed on the stock exchange. In these cases, the general partner pays most of its cash flow to its shareholders. Take Kinder Morgan (NYSE:KMI), general partner of MLP Kinder Morgan Energy Partners (NYSE:KMP). While Kinder Morgan offers a yield of 4.5%, Kinder Morgan Energy Partners pays distributions of 6.5%. This gives an idea of the tax benefits available to MLPs...
MLPs seem to have a Particularly attractive for large producers of natural gas and oil. Many of them have transferred their assets and pipelines to MLPs, which they control as general partners. Oil operators' fees are regulated and based on the volume of products transported, not on the price of oil. In this way, long-term profit growth follows that of the economy as a whole, and is not dependent on the price of oil. For natural gas operators, on the other hand, margins can vary with the price of the commodity. Some operators use hedging strategies to reduce their vulnerability to price fluctuations. But not all do so, as this limits their upside potential.
Just like REITs, MLPs are very volatileand may not suit the risk profile of all investors. On the other hand, they are also relatively insensitive to equity market fluctuations, which is always an advantage when it comes to diversifying a portfolio. Last but not least, like their cousins, they offer a excellent protection against currency risk the dollar, with its perennial structural weakness.
Finally, let's note a small technical detail that could be of importance depending on the tax treatment to which the individual investor who chooses this type of investment is subject. MLPs do not pay dividends, but distributions, which comprise a small amount of income and a large amount of capital gain. In theory, this could mean that a large part of this distribution is not taxable in Switzerland. It remains to be seen how this will be treated in practice, taking into account the additional US withholding tax. Unfortunately, it's a safe bet that this will be handled according to the usual rule applied to US dividends (15% non-recoverable US tax and 15% recoverable CH tax).
In conclusion
REITs and MLPs, although operating in different sectors and with different structures, are ultimately very similar. Their tax treatment allows them to pay generous distributions. I'm usually very sceptical about high returns. Most of the time, they are a sign of irresponsible corporate management and/or economic or structural difficulties. However, in the case of these two instruments, these generous distributions are, on the contrary, the fruit of a tax mechanism that allows and even encourages them to pay out more dividends to their owners.
Very often, high yields are also synonymous with sluggish dividend growth. We are all too familiar with this phenomenon in Utilities companies, such as the Consolidated Edison (NYSE:ED). Of course, this is also true of REITs and MLPs, but not necessarily so. Many of them have nothing to envy even to the famous dividend aristocrats, even if their track record of increasing distributions is much more modest.
Of course, all is not rosy either. Even if they are relatively sheltered from stock market fluctuations, the volatility of REITs and MLPs is very high indeed. Many investors will certainly live with it. Others, accustomed to defensive investments that deliver stable, growing dividends, may quickly become frightened.
However, as I mentioned in my introduction, these two types of instrument have a characteristic that is often overlooked by European investors, and Swiss investors in particular, who buy US securities. REITs and MLPs love a weak dollar... and needless to say, historically, this damn currency has a tendency to lose value.
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Good morning,
Why aren't MLPs sensitive to the dollar exchange rate?
THANKS
To put it more accurately, they have a certain sensitivity, but in reverse. I have two hypotheses on this subject. The 1st is interest rates. The lower they are, the better it is for economic activity, which means more oil consumption, which means higher profits for pipeline companies, but on the other hand, a lower dollar. But this could also apply to all equities, and we can see that this is not necessarily the case. The other hypothesis is linked above all to the nature of the products processed, i.e. raw materials. Here we have the same phenomenon with equities. Commodities have an intrinsic value, independent of currency rates. In fact, there is often an inverse relationship between the value of the dollar against other currencies and that of gold or oil, for example. This theory applies particularly well to gas transporters, whose margins vary according to the price of gas. These are the explanations I can offer. There may be others. What is certain is that this inverse sensitivity can be seen in practice. When the dollar falls against the CHF, the CHF value of an MLP (or REIT) tends to rise.
Jerome,
Thanks for the article.
As a shareholder of KMP (Kinder Morgan Partners), I can confirm the rather disadvantageous tax treatment for Swiss tax residents (39% withholding instead of the regular 15%+15% on US dividends). Until last year, the withholding tax was 35%, but dividend tax regimes were revised last year in the States.
I'm holding on to this stock because distributions are increasing quarter after quarter (they just announced an increase this week), but I'm no longer bolstering it because 39% is clearly confiscatory!
Important note: by far not all Swiss brokers allow the purchase of MLPs. Some banks are rather cautious because of the special tax regime.
Thanks for this interesting additional info birdie. So we are indeed higher than the 15/15 rule, but I assume that all the same the 15% part of the Swiss withholding tax is recoverable, as for any US stock?
Clearly, it's confiscatory, but as you say, dividends are rising fast, especially as they're already very generous to begin with, so all in all, it's easy to see where we stand. If I subtract the additional 9% from KMP's current yield, we're still looking at over 6% of yield, growing at an average of nearly 6% a year.
It would be interesting to compile a list of Swiss banks/brokers that allow the purchase of MLPs. If anyone has any experience, it would be most welcome.
I am not able like you to go into details, but I have owned KMP shares for a few weeks on a US tradestation account (as well as CYS, as luck would have it,,,) I took a position on these shares mainly because of the dividends, I am a French resident and so I contacted the French tax authorities to find out what to do in terms of paperwork concerning dividends of foreign origin (cf the W-8BEN when opening a US account) etc ...
One thing is clear, including from the inspector I contacted, the aim is to avoid double taxation ,,, ( it's the principle of the old tax credit, now called credit d'impot ) but they don't necessarily say how to achieve this ,,, it's the F'wance Pat'won ,,, LOL
Having said that, I use options to avoid the unpredictable ups and downs of the market concerning rates, see the collapse of CYS prices a while ago, prot.put + sale of call to repay the premium (see the very well done celtinvest u-tube videos).
Good morning
French tax authorities and avoiding double taxation on foreign dividend income:
probably also depends on the latest version of the Bilateral Agreement with this country.
As soon as the income is from a foreign source, the rate at which the withholding is shared, and the declaration procedures for its recovery, may have changed - I emphasize the latest version, since there are retroactive taxes on financial income, and the amount of certain withholdings is the subject of unresolved disputes.
As for going directly to the tax inspectors, with all the latest findings, you have to understand, they don't get it either.
Hello, does the 39% tax on MLPs and REITs still apply?
Thank you for your reply.
hello
in fact, REITs are treated exactly like other US dividends: 15% non-recoverable US tax and 15% recoverable CH withholding tax
regarding MLPs, I don't know what happens to Swiss-domiciled accounts as I trade them via Interactive brokers (US domicile).
Hi Jérome,
Thank you for your reply.
I currently have a trading account with Saxo Bank, but was thinking of switching to IB. What's your feedback on IB?
When you open an account with IB, all your funds end up in the US? It seems to me that this should have no impact on your taxation, since it depends on where you live.
I'm very happy with IB
I use it mainly for trading, but I've also bought securities there that I can't buy on my Swiss accounts (like certain REITs and MLPs, for example).
I'm talking about IB here:
http://www.dividendes.ch/utiliser-interactive-brokers-avec-le-trading-auto-signal/
It's more about trading, but many of the points also apply to long-term investing.
yes the assets are domiciled in the US and my dividends are only taxed at 15%
but then you have to decide what you want to do with the annual CH tax return...
FATCA, with exchange of information in both directions USA-CH is getting closer, even if with Trump this threat is receding a little.
personally, I find that in the long run, honesty pays off.
and as our approach is a long-term one....
Thanks Jérôme, your article on IB is very interesting!
I 100% agree with you that it's better to stay within the law, especially over the long term.
As I understand it, to remain legal, all you have to do is declare the dividends received in your IB account on your annual CH tax return (and they'll be taxed as additional income). On the other hand, since the assets are domiciled in the US, you avoid the CH withholding tax of 15% (which you can later reclaim, but there's a lot of paperwork involved) that I currently have on my US securities at Saxo Bank, for example?
I had read an article recently explaining that putting one's assets in the US was not necessarily "safe" (because of changing legislation), what guarantees does IB give you for your assets? (for example if it were to go bankrupt)
At Saxo Bank, my assets are protected up to USD 100,000.
another small link related to the topic on the forum:
http://www.dividendes.ch/forum-2/topic/taxation-anticipee-des-dividendes-chez-interactive-brokers/
yes, you have to declare your dividends as usual on your annual tax return.
IB offers standard reports, including tax reports, with all parameters already set.
you can even make your own reports - it's easy!
effectively no Swiss withholding tax of 15%
Regarding your 2nd question, I think it's a false problem...
First of all, Interactive Brokers regularly ranks among the best brokers in terms of price, quality and security.
a short link on this subject:
https://www.interactivebrokers.com/fr/index.php?f=6733
then you should also know that most Swiss financial intermediaries do not place your assets in Switzerland, but abroad.
Typically, your US shares, even if purchased via a Swiss bank, are likely to be physically domiciled in an American bank... this may even be the case with non-U.S. securities...
in your financial institution's general terms and conditions, it is certainly noted that the bank can domicile your securities abroad and that they therefore fall under the legal regime of the host country.
in my opinion, it's better to spread your assets over several establishments.
Yes, it's true that it's wiser to spread your assets over different establishments, especially if account fees are low.
That's cool for the 15% withholding tax that isn't automatically deducted, but are there any taxes on capital gains on resale?
Anyway, IB sounds very interesting, thanks for all the info.
How is your portfolio doing this year?
No tax on resale gains.
My portfolio is virtually in line with the market this year, with much less volatility as usual.
Before Trump's election, I even allowed myself the luxury of beating the market, but his election disrupted some stocks quite a bit and, above all, it turned my trading signal on its head. But I'm confident things will return to normal.
You can follow my performance here:
http://www.dividendes.ch/revenus/
Super performance Jérôme!
Do you give access to your portfolio as well?
And a question about IB: since part of your assets are in the USA, are you taxed by the USA (taxes other than the 15% on dividends) in any way?
these are my active positions:
http://www.dividendes.ch/positions-ouvertes/
for all other titles you must be a member
you have to dig a little in the menu there is a lot of information 🙂
no there are no other taxes
Congratulations on your portfolio.
You've really got some solid titles.
Given the rates that seem to be gradually rising in the US, what is your vision of these dividend stocks?
These stocks are chosen for their long-term resilience. This is a little more difficult for reits, which represent only a small part of the portfolio.
And we are not yet in a situation of high interest rates.
I've downloaded the IB demo version, and find that the platform isn't necessarily intuitive (compared with Saxo Bank, for example). I find there are too many features that complicate use.
On the other hand, minimal transaction fees are cool.
I never use the Web or PC platform. Too cumbersome. I only use the smartphone app. It's great.
I see several apps on the Apple Store, are you talking about "IB TWS" or another one?
Yes ib tws
Good morning,
This is a fascinating discussion, thank you. Let me ask you a question.
I've invested in SCPIs in Europe and I'm thinking of investing in Singapore REITs via Interactive Brokers (how to do this remains to be seen). I haven't found any reliable information on the treatment of dividends received from Singapore REITs for the French resident that I am. Could you help me?
THANKS
Bonjour Etienne, as I'm neither French nor invested in SIngapore, I'm unfortunately unable to answer this question.
Sorry!