The State, retirement insurance and the annuitant

Nothing encourages us to work, I have always said it. It is obvious when we have a job that we do not like and/or that spills over into our private life, but it is even obvious when we enjoy our activity. Why? Because dependent lucrative activity is the one that is most plundered, not only by employers, but also by the State.

When you work, you create value. Some hide in the crowd to slack off and others talk nonsense, but most of us produce wealth. Thanks to this, companies make profits, pay their employees, their shareholders, their suppliers and the State. Workers are also taxed on their income, at source for social security, the rest during the annual tax return. They also pay a consumption tax, in the form of VAT, which is an antisocial tax because the lower classes have a much larger share of expenses compared to income than the privileged classes.

So most of the value you create doesn't go into your pocket, but into those of your boss and the state. Paradoxically, work is expensive. In addition to the business expenses, taxes and social security eat up a significant portion of your income. Your money is circulating everywhere around you, but very little ends up remaining in your piggy bank.

Social insurances that concern old-age provision are not only the most expensive, but also the most obscure and therefore the most misunderstood by the general public. Collected at source, they remove all control and oversight from their beneficiaries. The rest of this article focuses in particular on the case of Switzerland. The many French, Belgian and Quebec readers of this blog will nevertheless be able to draw inspiration from it because the tendency to heavily tax work is not a Swiss specificity. Quite the contrary.

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Switzerland has a pension insurance system made up of three pillars, one compulsory and mutually supportive between generations (AVS), the other a little more flexible and rather individual (LPP), the last freely consented and totally individual. This is a very approximate description of the system, but it gives a good general idea. It is sufficient for what concerns us. Only the first two pillars have a character of social insurance directly deducted from income.

The results of these insurance companies have been poor for many years, which has a significant impact on their retirement benefits. This tends to make part of the population wary, and rightly so. How can one justify a minimum interest rate of only 1.5% on the second pillar? Any individual investor with a bit of common sense can obtain a best performance.

Another point that is very poorly known by the general public is that compulsory old age insurance (AVS), disability insurance (AI) and loss of earnings for military service and maternity (APG) are taxed very heavily on income (5.15%), while they are taxed much less for people who do not exercise a gainful activity, such as annuitants. For the latter, the wealth and income acquired in the form of an annuity are decisive for the calculation of contributions. In particular, wealth is considered to include savings books, securities and real estate. On the other hand, and this is where it becomes interesting for us, income from wealth is not part of the income acquired in the form of an annuity!

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Not only is this good news for a dividend-oriented investor, but it is even better for those looking for growing dividends. Indeed, with this last method, we manage to obtain returns compared to the purchase cost that can reach 10% in about ten years, and even much more over time. A passive income of this caliber, not subject to social security, is still a big plus compared to a hard-earned salary at work, deducted from 5,15% at source to finance the retirement (of others)!

Ok, you might say, that's all well and good, but wealth is still subject to social security contributions in this case. The official AVS document concerning people without gainful employment gives us the amounts to be paid according to their assets. Even if you live on an impressive fortune with an insignificant return, it remains more than affordable. If you follow a strategy of increasing dividends, and your wealth increases at the same time as your income, you come out of it very cheaply. I made a small estimate for my own situation and based on my income objectives As a pensioner, I should only pay half of what is currently deducted from my salary..

How does this happen? Where does this injustice come from compared to the poor workers who sweat body and soul to earn every extra franc? It all lies in the ability to save. It is the same antisocial mechanism as VAT. Let me explain. To become a rentier, unless you win the jackpot, you have to put aside a significant part of your income. The less you spend, the more money you can put aside, the more wealth increases and the more income from this fortune increases. This is the first Kiss Cool effect.

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Where it gets interesting is that the less you spend, the less you need to live not only today, but also tomorrow. In other words, the part you save today will no longer be necessary when you become an annuitant. You will therefore be able to living on a lower income, therefore a capital to generate this flow of money which is just as much. Depending on your savings capacity, you will therefore receive an income as an annuitant which is 10, 20, 30... or even 50% lower than that which you received as an active person. The State will therefore consider you as less interesting, both fiscally and on the social security side.

This is why a rentier is less robbed. The added value he generates is not retained by an employer. He also does not spend his money to acquire income. Finally, the State does not tax him as much as a worker. My E-Book will give you more details not only on optimizing your expenses, such as taxes, social security and professional expenses, but above all on the importance of savings capacity.


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15 thoughts on “L’Etat, l’assurance retraite et le rentier”

  1. I see that even in Switzerland, future rentiers are asking themselves the same question as in France: at the time of Sarkozy, we were promised "work more to earn more". Today, with the tax racket that we have to face in France, and the incalculable mass of profiteers of the system, high incomes prefer to "work less and earn less", because beyond a certain level of remuneration, 75% goes into the pocket of the State...

    I have a lot of questions about moving to the USA, where the tax rates are ridiculous compared to the pressure I'm under in France, and where investing in dividend growth is made easier for many reasons that you already know 😉

  2. Good evening,

    In France, the tax measures under the era of our dear President François Hollande are aimed at undermining the rentier:
    – Alignment of stock market capital gains with earned income
    – Reduction of tax benefits on dividends
    – Supervision of real estate rents in tense areas
    The ultimate goal of his measures for the State is to encourage citizens to finance their lifestyle through subscriptions to their bond loans that are worthless. Basically, he wants to ruin us without saying so.

    Sincerely.

  3. Yet another article that allows us (the French) to see to what extent taxation on income from dividends and capital gains is important.
    Yet, people who invest and do not spend all their money are simple savers who have saved month after month, year after year, by being disciplined and taking a certain amount of risk, and who have already paid taxes.

    It is becoming more and more complicated to consider being a rentier, at least it will take more time (you have to stay motivated).
    It is no wonder that more and more people want to settle elsewhere.

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    Good morning,
    When it comes to real estate, the sale in viager is presented as a financing solution for retirees. Indeed, thanks to the money from the viager contract, the owner can enjoy a life far from real estate charges.

  5. I don't have enough to settle comfortably in Switzerland, and in Belgium... the weather is bad!

    While in California… 😉

  6. Your financial analysis of insurance is very interesting:
    I would like to add a comparative site which indicates the strong and weak points of each:

    Investment strategies of Swiss insurance companies: sustainable development not very present:

    http://www.actares.ch/fr/index.php/news/article/role-of-sustainability-in-swiss-insurers-investment-strategies :
    and Swiss wealth taxes: Cantonal therefore very variable and for me inexplicable
    – Since 1997 my apartment which is located in a thermal complex –
    – Wealth tax: 1/4 of its value –
    – Theoretical taxation of its rental value: also 1/4 of its value
    Wealth tax:
    Cahusac, in his time in the opposition, had quipped: And if a non-resident pays a wealth tax higher than that of the French calculation, are we going to give him back the difference?
    Very intelligent question: Given that in the canton where I live the wealth tax only benefits from a exemption of CHF 50,000.- and that the French one is 1,300,000 Euros, you would have to be very very rich to pay the ISF in France...
    On the other hand, every medal has its reverse side... in terms of the deduction of medical expenses.
    Miserable package, while the premiums alone with additional insurance for my couple are around
    12,000 – CHF with CHF 5,000.- deductible and 10 % on reimbursable medical expenses – Which private supplementary health insurance funds reimburse them sparingly or exclude from any reimbursement a lot of care

  7. Of course, rentiers are taxed less than workers, but isn't that a bit logical since this money has already paid income tax, at least if we assume that it was earned honestly.
    For my part, I estimate that paying around 10,000 CHF (2,500 CHF AVS, 7,500 CHF ISF) on a fortune of 1,250,000 CHF (for example) is more than sufficient, because once you are a rentier you cannot assume that you will invest the entire sum at 4% and thus collect 50,000 CHF annually.
    Once you are an annuitant, a good part of your assets will have to remain liquid or be invested in low-risk and therefore very low-yielding investments, such as Swiss bonds.
    This pocket of liquidity will be used on the one hand to meet your needs and on the other hand to cushion market declines and reinvest in consolidation phases.
    On this part, your real return will be negative, because close to zero at the start and therefore necessarily negative after IR, ISF and social security.
    The ISF was supposed not to affect the substance of wealth. That was the case ten years ago. Since the fall in bond yields, that is no longer the case.

    1. I'm not the one who's going to say the opposite of course. However, if we really want to be intellectually and ethically correct, it's not really normal that savings income is not taxed from the point of view of the AVS for rentiers (it pains me to say that!). Ok, the money has already been honestly earned and taxed, so there would be no reason to tax wealth again, which the State does. But the income from this wealth could be taxed since it's a new gain... In short, the State taxes what it shouldn't and doesn't tax what it should... In the end, it's all the same, I would even say that we don't care since we're far from losing in this story...

  8. Good evening Dom67
    Dom67 wrote: Certainly, rentiers are taxed less than workers –

    I also reread the previous posts and I did not read any examples of this kind.
    -I don't think I'm mistaken, there is no preferential regime in terms of income and wealth taxation whether you are active or retired in Switzerland.
    (at least in the cantons whose taxation I can understand)
    On the other hand, in France, there is a reduction of 10 % which no one sees the significance of any more – But wanting to remove it is a political risk….
    As far as I am concerned personally, I benefit from a significant discount on my apartment and its theoretical income: it has nothing to do with the fact that I am retired - Any resident of this complex, regardless of age, benefits from the same advantage - More and more active residents live there year-round, because it provides a pleasant quality of life, whether you are an owner or a tenant. I suppose that it is the Municipality that has done a favor to the developers, to carry out this project on their territory - It generates approximately 200 permanent jobs, not counting the additional spin-offs.

  9. I'm having trouble finding precise information on all the taxes and other deductions (AVS contributions, etc.) to be paid if you are no longer employed before the age of 65.

    Could you estimate these various costs based on the following fictitious example?

    Man who stops working at 50, fortune of 1.25 million invested exclusively in shares with an average dividend of 4%, or an annual income of 50,000 fr.

    How much do I have left to live on? Many thanks! 🙂

    1. It's difficult to answer like that. You would have to take into account the place of residence and the family situation at that time.
      But let's say in macro terms 12,000 of deductions divided between tax (wealth and income) and AVS.
      I recommend keeping a small part-time activity, minimum 5,000.- per year, so as not to be considered by the AVS as not having any gainful activity.
      This would reduce the final bill by a fifth, not to mention the small gain in salary, and above all not to mention that it is good for the mind to remain a little active anyway!

  10. Thank you, it is interesting to have an order of magnitude to be able to estimate the share of the cake that remains after the state has helped itself.

    From a purely financial point of view it does indeed seem interesting to keep a small lucrative activity, but in any case at the moment I see things rather in black and white: work like an ox until 50 or 55, save and invest as much as possible in order to stop working entirely at least 10 years before everyone else.

    At this point I imagine taking care of my house/garden, reading, going for walks, fishing, traveling, cooking, DIY, spending time with my wife and friends, taking care of my grandchildren, etc. and above all devoting several hours a day to managing my investments and studying new ones (for me it is as much a passion as a livelihood).

    I feel like keeping a lucrative job, even just a few hours a week, would prevent me from truly letting go, feeling completely free and fully enjoying my time.

    1. I have a bit of the same thoughts as you. I will publish a post on this subject soon.
      The important thing is to experience today what will happen tomorrow.
      I have already started working less and it is much better this way. I think I will work even less in the future. Then I will know if it is necessary to stop everything or to continue a little. It is only by experimenting that we can know what suits us best. And maybe it is not to stop everything. Maybe…

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