Dividends and taxation: the importance of tax-exempt dividends (1/3)

This post is part 1 of 3 in the series Tax-exempt dividends.

PROLOGUE

On Halloween night, a little boy dressed in a suit and tie knocks on the door of a house.

The resident asks him:
- But what are you dressed as, little one?
– As Mr. Tax Officer.

And the boy leaves with a third of the candy, without even saying thank you...

 

INTRODUCTION

Few investors think carefully about tax issues when selecting their investments.

In this article, I will try to explain to you why it is absolutely essential to take taxation into account. The numerical explanations that follow could well be a real electroshock for many readers.

To tell the truth, although I have always been particularly sensitive to tax aspects, I must admit that in carrying out the research necessary for writing this article, as well as in studying my own tax returns and carrying out other numerical simulations, I myself was bluffed. The results turned out to be even more spectacular than I had imagined...

But let's take things in order and start this tax journey at the beginning.

 

STOCK EXCHANGE AND TAXATION

Every investor who has ever bought bonds or shares will have quickly discovered that on a coupon or dividend of 100 francs, after the visit of our friends from the tax administration, he ultimately had much less than 100 francs left.

Autopsies what is happening with your Nestlé dividend: While you thought you were going to receive 100 francs, you meet a new friend called withholding tax. And bam, you only get 65 francs.

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Well, it's annoying, but nothing too dramatic, you might say: When you declare your Nestlé dividend in your tax return, you will be reimbursed these 35%.

That's true, but I would add that it's still not very practical when you want to live off your dividends: You only receive 65% of your passive income in April or May, the rest will arrive... almost a year later at the time of reimbursement of this advance tax (Civil servants are known for their many qualities, of which speed is undeniably one.). This is the first Kiss Cool effect of the joys of imposition.

It should be noted in passing that the right to reimbursement of the withholding tax is extinguished if the request is not submitted within three years.

The second Kiss Cool effect soon follows when you discover that your Nestlé dividend (this time, of course, is the gross dividend of 100 fr and not of net dividend of 65 fr...) has been added to your salary and is taxed in a very unpleasant way, which I will dissect later in this article.

This is broadly what happens with taxable dividends, also called ordinary dividends.

 

CAPITAL GAINS

Fortunately, you might say, there are the stock market capital gains which are not taxed (as long as it is not professional stock market trading). If you buy Nestlé shares at 75 francs and sell them at 80, the price gains go straight into your pocket.

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The problem, besides the brokerage fees, is that capital gains are not as predictable than dividends. So it is more speculation than investment. If you bought Nestlé at 75 francs and the stock is now worth only 70, it is already more delicate, especially if you were planning to live off the stock market by regularly successfully selling capital gains.

Very disillusioned after discovering how your dividends are taxed and destabilized by the unpredictability of capital gains, you soon hear about the untaxed dividends...

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11 thoughts on “Dividendes et fiscalité: l’importance des dividendes exonérés d’impôts (1/3)”

    1. Yes, we have what is called a 3rd pillar account. The payments are deductible from income and the capital is not taxed as wealth. It can be cash or linked to funds but not in direct shares.

  1. The 3rd pillar account is a good way to put money aside for your old age while saving taxes. However, the amount is capped each year and above all, as Jérôme said, it can only be invested in funds or ETFs, you can't select stocks yourself!

      1. Probably an easy way to line the bankers' pockets under the pretext of protecting novice investors from themselves by preventing them from blowing everything by speculating on stocks like Myriad...

  2. Taxation is an important subject!

    As written in another message, the fact that in Switzerland dividends are subject to withholding tax (35%), refundable if requested and this income is formally declared, and to income tax (the rate of which depends on the total taxable income), while capital gains are exempt from tax, means that I am personally in favor of dividends not being too high, and of a good part of the profit being allocated to share buybacks or investments increasing the value of the company, which has a positive influence on the value of the share and therefore the potential capital gain. As far as I am concerned, when buying a share, I look more at the profit than the dividend.

    Regarding the linked 3rd pillar (3a), it is indeed a good tool to reduce your taxes, even if the amount that can be invested is limited annually (approximately CHF 6,800.- maximum for an employee). As Dividinde wrote, the 3a pillar can be invested in an investment fund or an ETF; I add that it can also be a simple bank account or an insurance policy. You should know that the amount saved under the 3a pillar is taxed when it is withdrawn (as are occupational pension benefits [LPP], annuities or capital), and that it cannot, except in exceptional cases, be withdrawn before 5 years before retirement age. Having a 3a pillar is in my opinion highly recommended.

    Finally, it is possible to make significant tax savings by making LPP buybacks, which are not capped annually, subject to the buyback possibilities calculated by the pension fund. If you did not start contributing early or if your salary has evolved positively, or if you change funds for a more favorable one, you have buyback possibilities, which can be significant. Afterwards, the question is whether you have long-term confidence in the LPP system…

    1. I take the opposite view. As far as I am concerned, I am in favor of taking the money out of LPP because I find it poorly managed:
      https://www.dividendes.ch/2016/06/la-prevoyance-vieillesse-ou-comment-se-faire-entuber-par-les-assureurs-sous-loeil-bienveillant-de-letat/

      You can withdraw your LPP capital through real estate. The savings and gains made are then reinvested in the stock market. This allows me to anticipate my retirement rather than what is allowed (60 years). And the tax loss is very quickly offset. In any case, the LPP annuitant will be taxed at some point...

  3. ANTONIO martins

    Good morning
    Very interesting article and if in Switzerland the capital gain is not taxable it is a very good measure because it goes a little in the direction of investors. It is a little recognition of the one who worked, saved and then invested.
    In France we have tax on dividends of course and also on capital gains (19 % + 17.2 % CSG).
    The non-taxation of capital gains seems to me to be a good measure because it rewards a little the efforts of investment and risk-taking too...
    friendly
    Antonio

  4. Thank you for your comments. Taxation is a bit like politics, it divides but it has the advantage of creating debate! I will come back to certain points once the whole series of articles is published. 🙂

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