More and more members of the generations X And Y, exhausted by the current world of work, are turning to solutions that allow them to become financially independent (early retirement). This is how many websites and books on this topic have sprung up everywhere since the beginning of this century. There was the book with the very commercial title, The 4-Hour Workweek, but whose application is unrealistic. There was also the popular Everyone deserves to be rich, with simple principles applicable to anyone. Strategies to become a rentier in ten years goes further into the concept by giving several reliable investment leads. My E-Book completes this picture by focusing mainly on income from dividends.
Early Retirement Extreme
Jacob Lund Fisker, with his book Early Retirement Extreme, is probably the one who has taken this approach the furthest. With his method you could be able to retire in just five years. His movement started in 2007, and a few of his followers are already starting to retire. Jacob Lund Fisker believes that anyone earning virtually any level of income in the developed world can retire in just a few years, provided they cut back on their expenses, save, and turn their savings into passive income.
Jacob is at an unprecedented level of frugal living, living on just $7,000 a year. He never eats out and grows some of his own food using a vegetable garden. None of his early retirement concepts are revolutionary. Many students are already using them to save money. Jacob is simply proposing to continue living like one of them. By living cheaply and earning as much money as possible, you can retire sooner, not only because you have more money but also because you need less money to maintain your lifestyle. This is also one of the principles I apply in my E-Book.
A massive reduction in spending
Now let's look at an extreme case of early retirement, Jacob's way. If you earn $$50,000 per year and save $80% of your income, with an annual rate of return of $5%, in six years your nest egg will be worth about $$289,000. That's modest, but since you've cut your expenses to $20% of your income, you can live on less money in retirement, and that nest egg should last you the rest of your life.
Your expenses are so low that you only need to withdraw 3.5% of your $ 289,000 per year. This amount will last as long as you can earn a real rate of return of more than 3.5%, plus inflation. While this may be difficult if the money is invested in Treasury bonds at historically low rates today, this return is not impossible for those who know how to invest in thereal estate, stocks and bonds.
But why live with so little?
Jacob Lund Fisker suggests rethinking our unlimited need to consume. He advocates a simple lifestyle where happiness does not rely on consumption. For example, he recommends learning to live without air conditioning, stating that the body can adapt to extreme temperatures. If you live close to where your activities are located, such as your work, you also reduce your expenses significantly. You can also prefer an economical mode of transportation such as walking, cycling and public transportation. If this is not possible, you can always opt for a small-engine car that does not consume much fuel.
Most people are constantly buying useless items that they just pile up in their house. Garages are no longer used to park cars, but to store those memories of one-day futile expenses. In the end, we pay exorbitant rent to accumulate things that are useless and that could even bring in money if we sold them. Possessions are expensive, take up space, require maintenance, can be stolen and are difficult to get rid of.
If you want to help yourself, Sell immediately at internet auction Any item that you haven't used in more than six months. Use the 1 in / 2 out rule. For every item that comes in (purchase or gift), take two out (sale, donation or clearance). Finally, before any purchase, make a list. When the item you covet has been on the list for 30 days and you still want it, go for it! This will save you from many impulse purchases.
Marketing
If a product needs advertising to convince you that it is good for you, then beware. People have become slaves to the latest technologies, because they are an outward sign of wealth and belonging to society. But do they really bring you a better quality of life? Today, instead of focusing on the usefulness and quality of a product, we unfortunately no longer pay attention to the brand, design and fashion.
Develop your skills
Instead of paying daily for transportation, childcare, pre-prepared meals, or a housekeeper, you can build a set of skills that allow you to meet these needs directly. Why work to pay someone to work for you? You don’t need a large income to achieve financial independence. You can also develop the skills to do without it. So move from being a consumer to a producer. If you don’t do this, no matter how much income you make, your spending will tend to be closer to it. Without the wisdom to set boundaries, consumption takes up all the available space.
In a way Fisker, with his early retirement, is the opposite of Tim Ferriss. The 4-Hour Workweek Ferriss advocated "outsourcing" to give you more time to do the things you want. Fisker instead believes the solution is to reverse the outsourcing of ordinary life skills and gradually internalize skills that have been previously acquired in the market.
Financial independence begins with independence, pure and simple.
Without free will, we act like sheep, we want to look good socially and we consume trivialities. In his best seller Rich Dad Poor Dad, Kiyosaki explains to us that the educational system, with its performance rewards (grades), has taught us to fit in very wisely in the professional world, to become very good employees and therefore big consumers. On the other hand, it never teaches us how to become very good employers and how to consume well! By practicing in this way, we are encouraged to stay in the system, the Rat Race, this race for work and consumption.
The paradox is that the more successful an employee is, the less time he can devote to his family. On the contrary, the more successful an investor is, the more time he has! Financial freedom, is therefore to have both the money and the time to live for oneself. A salaried job and the boss who goes with it will never give you this freedom. The employee does not realize that one can live on the income from a capital, which does not depend, unlike work, on the time devoted to it. Very often the one who manages a capital gains by doing nothing and remaining wise.
Early Retirement: What is your real hourly wage?
The authors of Your Money or Your Life suggest calculating your real hourly wage, taking into account not only the costs of acquiring the income, but also the time spent directly or indirectly on your employment activity. You must start by deducting from your net income your transportation costs, the cost of your meals at restaurants, your work clothes, the amount spent relaxing after a hard day, treating a job-related illness and even some vacations that you would not normally take (anti-stress spa treatments)... the list can be long.
I talk about it in my E-Book, depending on the situation, about 10 to 30% of the net salary is spent on income acquisition costs. I personally compared the amount of my professional expenses to my net income and I reach roughly 20%. This means that I work one day out of five to cover the costs inherent to the acquisition of my income.
Time spent on paid work
As for the time spent directly or indirectly on your activity as an employee, in addition to the contractual schedule, you must also count the hours spent getting ready for work, the time spent traveling to get there, the lunch break you don't spend with your family, the time to relax at home after work, leisure as a way to gradually reduce stress, etc. Here it is even worse than for the income acquisition costs. According to my estimates, the indirect time spent on work amounts to between 30 and 50% of the contractual time. Personally, I have to add 50% to my work schedule, and I don't even count overtime in that.
Divide the new reduced amount by the new number of hours and you get your actual hourly wage. By my estimates, once you deduct the income acquisition costs, factor in the indirect hours related to your activity, and still deduct income tax, the real hourly wage is between 40 and 50% of your contractual net hourly wage. As far as I'm concerned, it's the bare minimum, i.e. 40%.
Early Retirement & Vital Energy
Calculate your real hourly wage. Have fun converting the price of some of your purchases into minutes or hours of vital energy that you will have to devote to them. I did it for myself:
- 30 minutes to buy a Big Mac menu
- 1h30 for a haircut at the hairdresser
- 4:00 to fill up my car
- 5:00 a.m. for a restaurant with my wife
- 6:00 for new pants
- 25 hours a month to pay for my car lease
- 40 hours a month to pay the interest on my mortgage debt
- 40 hours a month to feed my family
By doing this, we see certain expenses from a different angle. It's no longer "I'm treating myself", but how much time I'm going to have to work to afford it. 4 hours to just fill up my car is 4 hours that I'm not spending with my family. Is it worth it? Instead of going to a restaurant, why not cook for yourself? Instead of going to the hairdresser, why not cut your hair or have your partner cut it?
Our assets allow us to be passive
If my expenses are consumers of vital energy, my dividend paying stocks on the contrary, give me the equivalent of 10 hours of this precious time each month, without me having to do anything. In fact, my "assets" (my securities) allow me to be passive. My liabilities (my house, my leasing) on the contrary force me to be active! The authors of Your Money or Your Life show us that our consumer society, instead of making us more independent, has led us into a network of financial dependencies. From birth to death, we are financially dependent on our parents, our employers, unemployment insurance, banks, insurance companies and our pension plans.
Material progress that was supposed to free us has made us slaves. Psychotherapist LaBier demonstrated in his book Modern Madness that focusing on money or success at the expense of personal fulfillment led 60 percent of a sample of several hundred people to suffer from depression, anxiety and other job-related disorders, including the ever-present "stress." So it's up to you to choose your priorities...
Early Retirement: How to Save Money
- Pay yourself first, by systematically putting aside, and before expenses, a constant (or increasing) portion of one's income.
- Grow a vegetable garden, even on your balcony, with space-saving plants like cherry tomatoes, gherkins, radishes, arugula, parsley or chives.
- Cheap cooking, by eating fresh, seasonal produce (from your vegetable garden, for example), by mixing meat, starches and vegetables, and by reusing leftovers.
- DIY
- Write down your purchase wishes on a 30-day wish list to avoid impulse purchases.
- Buy used instead of new.
- Buy durable and quality items.
- Resell items that have been unused for more than six months.
- Apply the 1 in / 2 out rule: for every item that comes into your home, sell two.
- Healing with fruits, grains and vegetables (from your vegetable garden for example), you will avoid the side effects of medication on your health and on your wallet.
- Getting around without a car.
- Cut your own hair.
- Insure only against major risks and assume the smaller ones.
- Take back clothes yourself.
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Hi Jerome…
Growing your own vegetable garden: OK for better quality food…
Getting around without a car, cutting your own hair and repairing your own clothes... Uh, how can I put it... Being a rentier is OK, but if it's to live like that... I'd rather work 😉
Alain, we agree, as Jacob's book indicates, it is an extreme method. On the other hand, I think that everyone can draw some ideas from it depending on their situation. Currently I could not do without a car, but it is true that it is a huge expense, especially since we have two in the household. So maybe by changing jobs I could afford it... Changing clothes, very little for me either, I assure you. On the other hand, cooking for yourself can honestly be quite cool, healthy and economical. For the vegetable garden, same thing. As for hair, I already do it!
What we should remember about his method, more than the solutions in detail, is his philosophy: we are not always obliged to resort to consumption to meet our needs. We can also produce ourselves, and if we cannot, then we can acquire the necessary skills. Not only is it economical, but it is also rewarding.
I totally agree with you, Jerome. I am from Generation X, very thrifty and I understood a long time ago that acquiring futile objects and services would lead to nothing... my 90s in the United States and Japan forged a conviction in me very early on... so, at work now in Europe, I feel out of step with the behavior of many sheep.
ahhhhhh it's always nice to see that we're not alone 😉
Good morning ,
Very interesting ,,,,
At the start I was an accountant (expert firm, real estate agency, freight forwarders, etc.) passionate about mechanics I ended up as an aeronautical technician... instinctively but also for the sake of independence I buy vehicles in poor condition, cars and motorcycles
(mechanics only, bodywork in very good condition) I repair and drive... for almost tens of years... for the house, 1000m2 nice, large trees, wooden house 90m2 workshop etc... cost price 50,000e in 2001, I did not do the structural work but fought against the administrations: DDE & consuel, doing all the second work myself... in short
My principle is simple: only buy what I am able to repair and maintain!
The current scandal is the taking of citizens hostage by controlled obsolescence.
An airplane and its components are always repairable……LOL
Thanks for your interesting feedback emmanuel
Hello Jerome,
First of all, not quite on the same wavelength as you, I must say that you convinced me with your sharp arguments! I especially appreciated the passage on the real hourly wage… I had never really thought about it, and I will do the calculation as soon as possible :p
Thank you for this most interesting article,
Marie-Josee
Hello Jerome,
Totally on the same wavelength as you!!!
I am 36 years old and not far from my goal of retiring at 40. My annual salary, although comfortable, is not extreme (IT manager - €47K).
I was lucky enough to make good real estate investments at a very young age (from the age of 25) and took advantage of a social plan to leave my company with a small sum (not huge either, given my age and my limited responsibilities).
But above all, I am able to live on about €500 per month. Excluding housing since I have recently become a homeowner without a loan to repay.
Some examples from a very long list:
– I keep my clothes for at least 5 years (sometimes much longer!!)
– I have never spent a night in a hotel, except of course for work. My holidays are always spent in the middle of nature, outside of any tourist infrastructure.
– my hobbies are outdoor sports, which have the double advantage of being free (or almost) and keeping me physically and mentally fit.
– I have no interest in high-tech gadgets, I still have a basic smartphone paid for by my operator but for example I have never had a GPS: I love reading a map and trying to find the way myself…
– I like to cook for myself: I get much more satisfaction from seeing my friends or partner smile after a successful dish than from paying for a restaurant that is often disappointing.
– I carpool, I resell and buy second-hand everything I can. I have very few objects accumulated in my garage. The only ones I have left are those that are unsaleable. I generally set prices below the market in order to sell the objects as quickly as possible, even if it means “losing” a little. Advantage: I sell everything quickly and don’t waste any time (and therefore money) in endless negotiations. My friends have a lot of trouble understanding that by the way 🙂
– I am about to move to the countryside and of course I am going to make a vegetable garden, an enclosure with chickens and try to set up an economy of exchange of services with the neighbors….
I find these questions fascinating and completely in line with my desire to go against the productivist system which stupefies us with the stress of work, in the great fantasy of a plenitude which would come through excessive consumption.
I would especially like to emphasize that this way of life requires no effort but on the contrary brings immense satisfaction!!
Ahhh… thank you Polo for this heartwarming testimony. I love hearing that.
I'm glad to know that you're soon to be completely out of the system. Almost paradoxical for an IT executive!
Your comment reminded me of two articles I've posted in the past that you may have seen before:
http://www.dividendes.ch/2012/12/tout-ce-quil-faut-savoir-pour-devenir-un-rentier-precoce/
http://www.dividendes.ch/2012/12/la-rat-race/
Good morning
Thank you for sharing this.
If you are no longer an employee before retirement age (without being unemployed) but are a pensioner, you must continue to pay AI/AVS contributions until retirement age.
However, depending on the fortune and the “income” from dividends, these can amount to several thousand francs per year…
Is the following idea good, or am I missing something in my reasoning?
For example, when I reach the age of 55, I give notice and register as self-employed, respectively as a professional trader/investor. As I am self-employed, I can withdraw my 2nd and 3rd pillar and buy shares with all this money well before retirement age!
Of course, from this moment on, I will be taxed not only on dividends but also on capital gains. And I still have to pay those damned AHV contributions to finance other people's retirement... Is there a way to be exempt from these contributions?
Please enlighten me if I am seeing things correctly or not.
Hello. Not to my knowledge, but you should not overestimate the AVS contributions in this case either. See my article:https://www.dividendes.ch/2013/09/letat-lassurance-retraite-et-le-rentier/
But why do you want to "declare" yourself a professional investor? In this case, it is certain that the tax authorities will want to tax you for capital gains.
Is this just to remove your 2nd and 3rd pillar?
Why not do it before, as part of a real estate purchase or to amortize a purchase already made?
These AVS contributions can still reach 23,900 francs per year! With, for example, a fortune of 2 million and an average dividend of 4%, you have an annuity of 80,000 per year and you pay 10,494 francs of AVS (and this each year until the age of 65), which is far from negligible. Once taxes are deducted (let's say around 10,000), you already only have 60,000 left to live on...
I was thinking that by declaring yourself a professional investor, you are no longer a rentier but independent! Consequently, you only pay AVS on your annuity / dividends (= your salary) and not on your wealth, which in my opinion can make a huge difference?
Regarding your question: I am not at all a fan of real estate (no passive 100% income and non-increasing returns like with DGI) and my idea when becoming independent is to withdraw all my 2nd pillar and my 3rd pillars over 4 or 5 years in a row around 50-55 years old and to buy with this jackpot even more shares and therefore dividends.
This pheasant... er... in doing so, you drastically increase your pension while limiting AVS contributions. And he lived happily ever after, etc. etc. etc.
How do you get the 10,494.- per year of AVS with the example above?
Have you taken into account the fact that income from assets is not considered as part of income in the form of a pension under the AHV rules?
So they are not to be multiplied by 20 and added to the wealth in the table of contributions of people without gainful employment.
In your example, that would be 4,253.75.- per year. As a self-employed person, you would pay 7,720.- (contributions in relation to your income).
The other point is that you have to be recognized as independent by the AVS, which is not a given.
Not to mention the fact that you also risk being classified as a professional investor by the tax authorities and therefore being taxed on your capital gains.
You also have to consider the following: the greater your savings capacity, the less you need a large annuity in the future (and wealth to generate this income). So today you have a large income, taxed heavily by social security (AVS/AI/APG/AC/LPP) and the tax authorities. In the future, depending on your savings capacity, you will probably live on something between 20 and 45% less. You will be less interesting in the eyes of all the intermediaries I have just mentioned. In other words, today you pay taxes and social security contributions on a part of your income that you do not use, since you save it. We can see this as an advance tax.
Yet another very important point: as far as I am concerned, I do not plan to withdraw completely from the professional world, but rather, as I have already started to do, to gradually reduce my dependent gainful activity. Even with an annual gross salary of 5,000 per year, which is very modest in terms of activity rate, whatever the salary, you are no longer considered as a person without gainful activity or minimal income. You can even consider generating this 5,000.- with a small regular secondary activity, so you don't even need to work with an employer...
To return to the question of withdrawing your pillar 2/3 by becoming self-employed, you must obtain self-employed status with the AVS, as mentioned above, which is not a foregone conclusion. Unless I am mistaken, the Federal Council also wants to limit the possibilities of withdrawing your 2nd pillar in these cases in the near future.
So there remains real estate. Of course, investments are not worth DGI in the long term, but they can be 100% passive, by putting them in real estate management (it costs about 5% of rental income). In addition, it brings good diversification to the investment in shares. And although rents do not increase, real estate/land increases in value over time. Not to mention that cadastral values, which determine the tax value, underestimate the real value of the property.
When we see the miserable performances displayed by pillars 2/3, there is no need to think too long...
In short, real estate + DGI is the right equation to become financially independent.
Thank you for all these very relevant details, you are a real mine of information!
I see that my AVS calculation was indeed not correct, I had not understood that dividends were income from wealth and therefore not considered as traditional annuities.
I also thought that becoming and being recognized as independent was very simple, like you create a company “dividinde Investment SA” and you declare yourself independent.
For real estate I think it's mostly a question of affinities, personally I know a lot more about the stock market than about concrete. On the other hand, from a diversification point of view, it's certainly a good alternative. I can also imagine one day buying an apartment to live in with my family (and thus save on rent), but buying to rent to others doesn't really appeal to me.
At this level, I much prefer to buy Swiss real estate shares which bring me 4% without lifting a finger, and without paying taxes on it!
Creating an SA requires, unless I am mistaken, providing 100,000 balls of starting capital plus other obligations linked to the status of the company.
For real estate, you have to see it from a long-term perspective. First, you buy your apartment by taking out your 2/3 pillars. Later, if you move, you re-rent this apartment and buy another one by taking out your 2/3 pillars again. No need to be an expert, just be careful not to buy too expensive compared to the market.
Everything is clear Edgar!
Another question that is bothering me... Let's imagine the following situation, very simplified for the sake of understanding (leaving aside the risk aspect, respectively diversification):
I no longer work (what beautiful music to my ears!) and I have a fortune of 1.5 million entirely invested in SPS. Current dividend 4.3%, under an annual annuity of approx. 65,000 fr.
Is it true that I will pay taxes only on my wealth (I don't have the figures in mind, but I imagine that it's just a few thousand francs) and ZERO TAX on my annuity??? No withholding tax, no income tax (because it is not a dividend but a reduction in share capital).
It almost seems too good to be true?
There I can't answer you. I'm not sure that it's still not taxed as income when you file your tax return (because of course you're going to declare it). If a reader has knowledge on this subject, it's welcome.
However I don't think SPS does this every year?
I hope that someone will be able to confirm this tax story!
SPS has been paying its dividend in this form for many years and the capital reserves should still be sufficient for at least a few more years.
By the way, it is not very difficult to find Swiss stocks whose dividends are tax-exempt, e.g. SPS, Allreal, Mobimo, Hiag, SFPI, VAT, Zurich, Swiss Re, Cembra, Inficon, BCV in part,…
A portfolio with these examples should yield around 4%. The problem is that these are most often cushy stocks (with the exception of VAT) whose price and dividend do not increase much over time.
I prefer stocks that have a higher appreciation potential (price and dividend) during the portfolio construction phase. On the other hand, once the "retirement" phase has arrived, it seems interesting to me to increase the share of such stocks. If my example in the previous message is correct from a tax point of view, this seems to me to be a very attractive option.
Yes, you are absolutely right. Indeed, there are quite a few Swiss securities that do this, but if we look at the long term, it is better to focus on classic growing dividends. For example, taking a typical US security that pays 3% of yield, with 10% of dividend growth per year and the 2×15% withholding tax at source: after 7 years, we reach the same yield as a security offering 4% of tax-free yield, 7 more years and we do 2x better, and so on. Not to mention that the price follows the same progression. And this comparison risks turning even more to the advantage of growing dividends if the distributions not taxed at source are subsequently taxed by the tax authorities.
So indeed good for retirees…
I swiped on the telematic web (I surfed the web, in other words) and found confirmation that tax-exempt dividends were indeed tax-exempt!
This means that if I have, for example, 1.5 million invested in the ten or so stocks mentioned above:
– not only do I receive 100% of the dividend directly (no withholding tax of 35%)
– and what’s more, I don’t pay any tax on these 60,000 francs.
Thanks to this huge tax advantage, it really is a very attractive option, even if the dividend growth is quite low.
NB: only for private Swiss investors.
https://blog.migrosbank.ch/fr/conseils-fiscaux-pour-2016-partie-5/
https://fintool.ch/steuerfreie-dividenden
http://www.bilan.ch/economie-exclusif/7-conseils-pour-reduire-ses-impots
Yet more proof that it is better to invest than to work
Thanks for your research.
You said it, nothing encourages us to work (except perhaps the excellent coffee machine we have at the office and this homemade cake that my colleague with the generous bosom sometimes brings).
Earning an income of 60K without having to wait a year for the tax authorities to reimburse us for the withholding tax… Not paying 0 francs in direct federal tax and cantonal tax on this annuity… If that's not the good life, what is? I think you have more money left over in this situation than an employee who earns 80 to 90K per year!
They say there is no such thing as a free lunch in life. This tax change in 2011 seems like one to me!
Just a small downside, in Switzerland dividends are in principle annual and paid around April-May. I have not looked in detail for the securities you mentioned, that would mean a payment of your annuity roughly once a year (admittedly a nice annuity :-))
So don't act like an idiot too much afterwards! 🙂
Of course, that's the problem with Swiss stocks. You get your annual "salary" in April-May and you have to take responsibility and divide that nest egg into 12. But I think that someone who manages to save and invest patiently for 20 years shouldn't have any trouble managing this situation.
I read that you invest mainly in US stocks and I understand your choice from the perspective of globalization and the excellent history of growing dividends of many quality companies such as Johnson & Johnson or Procter & Gamble. I also read your explanations about limiting exposure to USD risk by choosing companies that benefit from the weakness of the greenback, but I only partly agree with you on this subject.
For my part, I invest > 90% in Swiss stocks and just a few % in British securities. I prefer a CHF-oriented yield and pay a lot of attention to taxes. USD risk and non-refundable withholding taxes are completely prohibitive for me and only artificially extend the time needed to achieve one's goal of financial independence.
Well, I'll leave you, it's time to enjoy this gentle sunshine that costs nothing...
It's true, even if I also sometimes invest in Swiss securities, the bulk of my investments are in the US for the reasons you just mentioned. I decided that we could manage the currency risk with certain things that I talk about in several of my articles. And investing in Swiss securities does not necessarily protect against exchange rate risk either, especially since Swiss companies are mostly exposed internationally. In truth, it is the type of company we select that is more important than the underlying currency.
Regarding the tax problem, this is a concern shared by many readers here. But here too I think it is a problem that can mislead us if we focus too much on it. Telling ourselves that we could earn 15% more with a Swiss stock or 30% more if it is not taxed is to focus only on current income. It is a bit like only looking at the yield. If we are going to do so, we might as well take stocks that pay 8%. In doing so, we forget in particular the dividend growth rate. By agreeing to lose a little today, through lower distributions or higher tax, we can earn more tomorrow thanks to a dividend that increases much faster. There are certainly Swiss stocks that offer yield, growth and tax advantages, but we quickly get to the bottom of it.
In short, even if it is not a hindrance for me, I completely understand your position. It also reflects that of many readers and it is certainly a fascinating subject. Besides, I sent you an email because I would like to discuss it in more detail with you.
Good sunny afternoon.
I also fully understand and respect your position. I think there are many different paths to success. With your knowledge, passion and dedication, I am convinced that you will achieve your goals.
I would like to make two more comments regarding the subject of forex risk:
1) There are a few Swiss stocks that allow to almost completely eliminate the influence of exchange rates, basically all real estate companies oriented towards Switzerland, cantonal banks and a few special cases such as Burkhalter or Walter Meier that focus only on the domestic market.
2) Without going into too much technical detail, we can basically say that in the long term the SPI in CHF offers an annualized return very close (to 1 or 2%) to the S&P500 in USD or the DAX in EUR. Which is not the case if you compare the return of these 3 indices in CHF! What I mean is that by investing in a Nestlé in CHF, you are indeed exposed to economic hazards and international exchange rates, but it is nevertheless preferable compared to investing in a Bayer in EUR for an investor whose reference currency is the CHF.
Regarding growth and regularity of dividends, I 100% agree with you on US stocks. Switzerland cannot compete with hamburger eaters on this subject.
PS: I received your email regarding the books, but nothing else on this fascinating debate (it's so rare to meet someone who experiences this subject with their guts like me - THANK YOU for these exchanges).
Yes, your points 1 and 2 are perfectly in line with my series of 4 articles:
https://www.dividendes.ch/2011/12/actions-en-devises-etrangeres-et-risque-de-monnaie-12/
I also talk about CHF stocks mainly oriented towards the domestic market (point 1 that you mention), I use some of them, in particular in my Ex-US strategy. Examples include JFN, BVZ holding, EMMN, BELL, PAXN, WARN, etc.
I also talk in this series of articles about the problem of loss of profitability due to the structural weakness of the dollar, which you mention in point 2.
However, as also mentioned in this article, there are ways to prevent it, and even benefit from it.
Yes, it was in response to the books, but it was mainly to get in touch with you.
Good morning,
I type "rentier mode d'emploi" on Google and I come across your article which makes me discover a new world. I want to discover everything now thanks to this article. I see that you mention a lot of books, which ones would you recommend to me to start? I saw that you have an ebook too, is it within the reach of a novice like me who currently knows nothing about it?
THANKS.
Good morning
Yes, my book is accessible to everyone. It's a good way to start.